A mother could never do that, at least not to her own children.
As rats cavort on the road outside, 22-year-old Niken tells me that she came from the Indramayu village of Patrol when she was 19 at the suggestion of a friend.
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Duke's Dean of Students called her recently, the author told us, to check in.
But the chilling truth behind her case is now revealed by one of the senior police officers who interviewed her.
She fidgets and throws her hands to her mouth when she laughs.